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DolwyddelanLightRail

Railway Crests

In have finally had some spare time to create the crest for the D&FGR, and i have come down to 2 conclusions, here they are:

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2.

I am going to add a photo of H.G.Butler in the middle, i don't know what angle or anything as of yet, i just need to get a better photo really. Is there anything that you guys would say to change on these?

Thanks  
Sir haydn

Nice, scrap the date at the top, this will really pi$$ you off in years to come when its not 2010
DolwyddelanLightRail

I was thinking of getting rid of it, but I have originally intended for it to be created for the 20th "anniversary" of the railway, and i'm having several special "events" on throughout the year to celebrate this.  

I i actually manage to be able to put this on the rolling stock/locos, then i probably will get rid of the date so i don't have to replace them at a later date
ptlrcecil

I agree with scrap the date but perhaps put the company initials up there instead.
Just a thought.
DolwyddelanLightRail

Hmm, that is a good, idea.

I'll have a play around with it later on when i next get some spare time!  
taliesin001

Very nice, how about having some intertwinned lettering inside instead of a picture. Depending on era older companies wouldn't have had a photograph.
SillyBilly

I'd scrap the date thing too.
Why are their two different initials at the bottom.
Apart from that I'd leave it, I think a photo of a loco would be a step down.
DolwyddelanLightRail

I did think of some older lettering, as it is meant to be based in the 1930's (ish), and the railway originally built in the mid-latish 1800's

The DLR&G initials is going to take a bit of explaining, but here goes:

Supposedly in mid 2009, the Dolwyddelan & Fron Goch Railway (D&FGR) joined hands with the Suchnant & Conwy Railway (S&CR) and the Essex and East London Railway (EELR) so they could get themselves all more well known with advertisement etc etc. They called themselves "The Dolwyddelan Light Railways & Gauges" (The DLR&G Railways) The gauges represents all the different gauges they are all on (D&FGR = SM32, S&CR=OO, EELR=N) and it's on there to say that it's a member of it etc.

Sorry If I've bored you all to death about all that or made you even more confused!  

If you are intersted in the full story there is a bit on my website in "History of the D&FGR".If i ever do crests for the other railways they will also have the DLR&G on it as well.


Thanks for the feedback, as i said i'll have a play around with it and see what i end up with  
Merddin Emrys

Looks great, could you swap the date for a company motto, in Welsh?
taliesin001

I know it's what most welsh railways use, but you could incorporate the prince of wales feathers somewhere?
DolwyddelanLightRail

Merddin Emrys wrote:
Looks great, could you swap the date for a company motto, in Welsh?


Never really thought of that, but i've never really thought of a motto for the railway before! Need to get thinking!  

taliesin001 wrote:
I know it's what most welsh railways use, but you could incorporate the prince of wales feathers somewhere?


I would like to do that, but that will take a looooooooong time to get within a near enough standard for my liking, or for it to be recognisable! But i may give it a try  
DolwyddelanLightRail

Here is my newer one, heres a little quiz:

which railway crest have i nicked the wraped belt off?  



(ignore all the stuff to the side, i forgot to get rid of them!)
taliesin001

Aren't there loads of railways that use the belt? such as ffestiniog, talyllyn,welshpoola nd llanfair, lynton and barnstaple etc
DolwyddelanLightRail

Hmmm, just realised that they do   woops, but anyway, i have got it really close to the old GNER crest (which in my opinion is really good )

But i also think the belt makes it look slightly better as well!  
taliesin001

Yep, the belt is definately an improvement.
Mr. Bond of the DVLR

Hmm, I don't have a belt just railway initials.... Is it important to have a crest?
DolwyddelanLightRail

I would rather a crest, currently 1/3 way though the feathers now

What i would love to do is when i re-paint Britomart and add nameplates etc to Phoenix, i would love to add the crest on as well, makes it look more personalised as well!  
mhlr

Looks great! When I did mine, I couldn't be ar**ed, so I just copied some random white round belt crest off the internet and put the name on it.  
DolwyddelanLightRail

lol, surprisingly, believe it or not, the total time i have spent on it so far is about 2 1/2 hours! It isn't that hard really, if you know what your doing with the software!  
ptlrcecil

However I suspect the time taken o get familiar with the software is 2 1/2 years LOL.
DolwyddelanLightRail

ptlrcecil wrote:
However I suspect the time taken o get familiar with the software is 2 1/2 years LOL.


more like 1/2 a year!        

I decided to copy out a side drawing of a 43/HST power car in INTERCITY livery, it took me 3 months with an hour a day at it.......

......and i came back to it earlier this year, and re-did it all in an afternoon!    
DolwyddelanLightRail

It's been a while, but i have made a rough draft of the feathers now, and 'ere it is:



I need to work on them a lot more, but they have been a real pain to do, but what do you guys think, should i carry on, or leave it?  
MuzTrem

Definately carry on, it's looking good and it would be a shame to leave it half-finished!

My brother made the MVR emblem several years ago, not as fancy as a belted crest but I like it:



Never put it on any rolling stock though, just the website
DolwyddelanLightRail



Finally finished the feathers, i think it looks OK like that, just need to decide on what to put in the middle, probably old style writing front of D&FGR
mhlr

How about the front veiw of one of you MSS locos with tracks coming towards the bottom of the crest (similar to how the 16mm Assc logo is) - but drawn and no colour, not a photo etc. I think that would look good.
DolwyddelanLightRail

hmmm, i think this part is going to take the longest, whatever i do. Need to think it through a bit more so i have a slightly broader amount of ideas that i could do
SillyBilly

How about nothing? I deffinatley would not put the initials on there, you've allready got them once, and you don't really need them atall, the name is there initials aren't hard to work out.

Another thing that always puzzled me, why does everyone base their crests around the FR one?
DolwyddelanLightRail

i followed the lines of the FR on cause i couldn't be bothered to try to make up my own, and i also wanted one simular in style to the FR one, as i like it  
MuzTrem

You could try putting some regional symbols in the centre. This qas quite a common practice: the FfR, of course, has the Welsh dragon; the GWR had the symbols of London and Bristol; the LNER had St. George's cross with English rose and Scottish thistle. On on a smaler scale, the RHDR has the Kentish symbol, Invicta, while the Kirklees Light Railway has Yorkshire white roses and a Viking long-boat. I'm sure people can come up with plenty of other examples...
SillyBilly

MuzTrem wrote:
the FfR, of course, has the Welsh dragon;

No it doesn't, the F&WHR crest has a dragon, the FR does not.
Merddin Emrys

I'm just using the FfR one as it is
MuzTrem

SillyBilly wrote:
No it doesn't, the F&WHR crest has a dragon, the FR does not.


Pedantic...

You're right of course, I meant the F&WHR crest, should have been more specific!

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