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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:06 pm    Post subject: Roy Wood models Janet Reply with quote

Hi All

I'm new to garden railways this is my first post, I've been looking around to see what to buy as my first loco and I would like some advice if possible.

I have had a look at Mamod and MSS locos but looking on this forum they all seam to have some bad points as well as good, but I would like to know what you think of the RWM Janet as in my eyes this looks like a improved Mamod / MSS loco or is it a lot more than that.

Thanks in advance

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would look at the Regner locos as well for great slow running at a good price.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I second the Regner Easy Line models and the Roundhouse Basic line engines such as Millie, Sammie and Bertie.   Mike
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have had an MSS (cheap but need lots of fettling,sold them on) then I brought a ragleth which is very fine. Then I purchased Roundhouse locos which are the tops, BUT...I use my Mk2 most! Hugh! The row wood loco is a great little model and well made with all the upgrades.. The Mk2 Mamod is fine too..So you get what you pay for..BUY THE BEST YOU CAN AFFORD AND I'M URE YOU'LL LOVE IT..Wait if you have to save hard.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

steamie1 wrote:
Wait if you have to save hard.


Totally agree with the whole of Steamies statement, but would like to add "don't forget the secondhand market".
I don't own a single "new" loco (Though the Accucraft Kerr Stuart comes pretty close ), and have saved 's by sticking with "pre-loved" loco's
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mamods can be good or make you want throw it over the fence, I've had both sorts. There are things that can be done to make it better but once you've put all the upgrades up you could have bought a decent engine in the first place. I'm not against Mamods, still have one that needs work to get going, I see it as a challenge one day.
I know budget has to be considered and experience on what to tinker with does help. In fact you'll get all the advice here for Mamod/MSS improvements if you go hat route.
Janets are much better little locos, I do remember when I started I asked the former maker which was better value and even he said the Accucraft Ragleth and that was coming from the guy that made the Janets. Accucraft were a lot cheaper then, just under 500 new.

I am a fan of Regners, have two and really like them. Great for beginners as they are so slow running.

You can't go wrong with a Roundhouse Millie or Bertie.

Have a look, work out what you're happy spending and see what you like the look of. I'm sure you'll get lots of views and advice.

I went from Mamod to an Accucraft Edrig as my first upgrade and still use it, though it's had a change of clothes.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can strongly recommend the Janet

I own an original 1st run IP Jane and I love it, fantastic runner and looks great to.
The design has changed little over the last 2 decades and 3 builders its had and has sold it very large numbers.

I own 2 RoundHouse basic locos as well as a Regner easy loco and I can safely say that my Jane is easier, more relaxing and has more charm than the other options.

Regardless they are all valid choices
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey did you see the Chedder on Ebay..Make sure the second hand option is hardly usehttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2612...IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649d and not realy old unless you have a weath of knowlage..
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wot4wayne wrote:
but I would like to know what you think of the RWM Janet as in my eyes this looks like a improved Mamod / MSS loco or is it a lot more than that.

Wayne, although the RWM Janet shares the same dimensions as a Mamod SL/MSS locomotive the only bit that is common to both is the smokebox casting. The rest of the Janet is all far superior, silver soldered boiler with sight glass tube, 'O' ring pistons, steel wheels, thicker chassis frames and bodywork, higher pressure safety valve, water top up valve, in cab regulator and displacement lubricator, and added weights within the side tanks for improved adhesion.

If you read through some of the Mamodification Topics where owners have started on a budget with an SL1K or MSS kit, you will see they end up improving their locos to a similar state as the RWM Janet, yet the enjoyment has been the process of tweaking their locos rather than the cost which ends up very similar to a Janet. Whilst PPS Janets rarely appear on eBay, there is a slow trickle of IP Janes.

There is a good Topic on the IP Engineering Jane, which led to the PPS  Jenny, then the PPS and now RWM Janet - http://gardenrails.myfreeforum.org/about6658.html

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

steamie1 wrote:
Hey did you see the Cheddar on Ebay

The Cheddar Iver is a very nice engineered locomotive, and incredibly actually uses oscillating cylinders with a smaller bore than the Mamod SL/MSS ones. It is very much bigger and wider than a Mamod SL/MSS and those cylinders get fouled on standard Mamod points. Only slight downside is it is only R/C controlled with a servo on the combined reverser/regulator inside the frames.

Last one (45mm & black) sold for 350 including the matching tender. It was re-introduced at a much higher price by Stuart Models but is not listed for sale on their website.

I have a Cheddar Iver and a Cheddar/GRS Tram (uses a modified Iver chassis) in my collection.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everybody has suggested their favourite locomotive in answer to the original question.

The original question seems to me to be about the Wood "Janet" and whether it is superior to a Mamod.

The answer: yes, it is superior to a Mamod. It has the same quirky charm and runs a lot better. If you like how these engines look, get one. I would like one myself. They look like fun.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keith S wrote:
Everybody has suggested their favourite locomotive in answer to the original question.

Really, wonder why I posted this reply then!

Chris Cairns wrote:
Wayne, although the RWM Janet shares the same dimensions as a Mamod SL/MSS locomotive the only bit that is common to both is the smokebox casting. The rest of the Janet is all far superior, silver soldered boiler with sight glass tube, 'O' ring pistons, steel wheels, thicker chassis frames and bodywork, higher pressure safety valve, water top up valve, in cab regulator and displacement lubricator, and added weights within the side tanks for improved adhesion.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it is why Forums are good. It is a meander of thoughts and feeling + a good mix of technical info from 'those in the know' by experience. A collection of Forums comments is ecclectic but as a whole very imformative. I'm sure Mr Wot4 has all he needs now.

Do put us out of a misery by letting us know about the new mount and all the fun it gives. Respect to all on the forum.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris Cairns wrote:
Keith S wrote:
Everybody has suggested their favourite locomotive in answer to the original question.

Really, wonder why I posted this reply then!


OK, I meant "mostly everybody". No disrespect intended to anybody who posted.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Roy Wood models Janet Reply with quote

wot4wayne wrote:
Hi All

I'm new to garden railways this is my first post, I've been looking around to see what to buy as my first loco and I would like some advice if possible.


What are your main constraints / design requirements for "your first loco"? Do you want something small and simple? What be your budget? Any particular prototypes you like or at least, railways where a 'fictional extra / alternate reality' happens in your railway?

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I have had a look at Mamod and MSS locos but looking on this forum they all seam to have some bad points as well as good, but I would like to know what you think of the RWM Janet as in my eyes this looks like a improved Mamod / MSS loco or is it a lot more than that.

Thanks in advance

Wayne


Ooooh, I don't know about Mamod/MSS locos To be fair, I've known one that took me six months to get 'just right' and then it wouldn't shut up. On the other hand I've seen one [an SLK] that was built in the 80s but was never built from the in-box-kit-form until winter last year but when it was, it ran like a dream!

I can understand your wariness over what we term the 'Mamod gene pool' design of locomotive because you're right, there are hundreds if not thousands of people and engines who have had less than stellar performance lives.

The main reason, at least for the old Mamod locos built 1980s-1994 we can surmise is that the company went through a number of owners and manufacturing bases back in the day and with each one standards were, shall we say, different.

With MSS I find it strange because some have been fine but there have been others that have caused trouble straight out of the box - Dr' Cairns has detailed a thread where he built an MSS loco and describes the tweaks he had to make to make it steam and run in good condition.

H'okay. Boring history over. So, you're considering a RWM Janet?

I personally say "Go for it." And here's why:-

1)Engineering quality.
Unlike Mamod of the 80s, PPS and RWM Janet have been built by pretty much the same providers I believe. Meaning that quality has not slipped. If anything, it has improved. They build quality is far higher, especially given the higher stakes of price, steam pressure and finesse of parts.

2)Loco spec.
It's true that the 'Janet' follows the design of the original Mamod. However each part is as mentioned, built to a higher specification. Boilers - 12-25psi brass boiler, soft soldered, VS a copper, silver-soldered, tested to 120psi boiler that you can easilly attach a pressure gauge on.

Cylinders - some upgrade cylinders you need to run in for upto 10-20 hours before they come good. A set of RWM 'Janet' cylinders I bought were working their magic efficiently within 1-2, and working well at 4-5hrs+. Also, a lot of cylinders, upgrade and MSS standards alike, are push-fit caps at both ends. RWM's are one-piece castings with a pushfit end only where the piston goes in. It helps.

Wheels - Mamod old were mazak material and were slotted onto the axle. Steel wheels of the RWM are made more efficiently. They also come in two designs.

Control - quite easy to control too, having open cabs for the gas tanks and main regulator.

3)Reliability
As the Janets are descendants of the original I P Engineering Jane, it helps. The Janes are well-known for being well-made and far more reliable than the original 'toy steam' Mamods were. PPS Steam then took on the goodwill and tweaked the design a little and now RWM Steam has taken over PPS Steam's goodwill. They've also made some engineering tweaks like cylinders as mentioned.


So although they seem similar, the RWM Janet and the old-school mamod/MSS locos are quite different beasts.

Also prices. The RWM seems to be good value for a fun, easy to handle loco that can hold its own. On the Starters rake...

RWM Janet - 445
Roundhouse Basic Bertie/Millie/Sammy - 600+
Accucraft 0-4-0 - Ragleth - 650.

If you can afford more, then the field is totaly upto you. I won't slant the RH or Accucraft choices as I know Roundhouse are fantastic, and as well, have the pleasure of owning a 'debugged' Accucraft 0-4-0 [same chassis and spec as Ragleth, but different body - the 'Caradoc'.

Have a couple of videos so that you can judge for yourself how it runs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTn_Fzq096Q
Aaaaand...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxIQ6_h6X6I

So, it's not a bad little runner in itself.

Also - because yes, it's from the same 'gene pool' [if a distant relation as explained], you can 'Mamodify' these little beauties to your heart's contentment as they are built in the same simplistic fashion as the old Mamods/MSS locos. There's at least four locos which, although they started off in life as old-skool Mamod or MSS locos with the brass boilers, mazak wheels etc, have all been upgraded to silversoldered, copper boilers, steel wheels, upgraded cylinders [in one case, slightly bigger than standard!] and so forth...and then made individual. One is BR Blue with an open cab, another is green and reminds one of a Victorian contractor's loco, another is in 'golden ochre' and another has convertible overlays and a Ffr Blanche-style tender

So all in all, I would heartily recommend them if you want one or are having to watch the pennies - if you want a little locomotive that you can customise quite a bit

Hope this helps.


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